Subject	I've been reading this thread and I agree with certain
Posted by	The Devils Z on January 04, 2008 at 12:40 PM
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In Reply To	No argument there. And maybe the gears do have an advantage posted by Guapo on January 04, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Message	points but the main perspective that I have been eyeballing this thread from is a highly modified Z street driven and the idea of "sluggishness" doesn't appeal to me either. When I switched from the Labree Ultimate downpipes to the non-divorced 3 inch downpipe .. I picked up mucho top end but lost some of the killer midrange torque that I had . I imagine that once I retune I wil get some back .. short story - I have been considering the leader gear setup and after reading this thread --I wonder if it is such a wise idea for my intended application at my power level. I don't desire to put leader gears on if it is going to 1) promote more wheel spin with the shorter / tighter gears 2) or induce the "sluggishness feel " It seems to me that the main goal of any serious car enthusiast should be a) max traction b) big torque curve c) fast revving engine with power that doesnt taper off near red line It seems to me that maybe ( based on the power level and desired application / use ) racelogic traction control would be a better modification for a high rwhp Z than leader gears. If slippage is not a problem ( under 400rwhp maybe ?? ) perhaps the leader gears is the way to go ... ofcourse, put a dragstip and M/T or hoosiers into the mix and you can throw all these ***assumptions*** out the door .. thoughts / feedback ??? =============Sig begins here================ The Devils Z.com The Devils Z Pic 666 rwhp dyno The Demon Z pic (in progress) View Me! Disclaimer : Not Safe For Work !
Follow Ups	5 speed close ratio gearset - East Coast Z 05:09:30 01/04/08 Re: 5 speed close ratio gearset - zx299 05:40:01 01/04/08 Just buy a set of 4.10 gears, leadergears.com most of us - Eishozzzz 05:48:24 01/04/08 They have the opposite effect. (n/m) - ZCulture 07:09:05 01/04/08 You are again making statements based on - RSR 09:00:38 01/04/08 You're wrong. Give it up. - Kenny 09:13:36 01/04/08 Quick note: - Kenny 09:19:30 01/04/08 They make sense on a modded TT. - ZCulture 07:07:55 01/04/08 not really...but it really depends on the application - aliaZ 08:55:03 01/04/08 Could you propose a DD tire/suspension setup that - ZCulture 09:44:30 01/04/08 You are going to be able to spin the tires - RSR 10:15:17 01/04/08 Speed dependent adjustable BC could be a solution. (n/m) - Kenny 10:20:06 01/04/08 speed or gear, yes. (n/m) - Guapo 10:25:50 01/04/08 AVC-r & gear judge... reduce boost in 1st. - Dallas DamonZ 10:26:47 01/04/08 Wow, I feel like a total n00b. I didn't know what "gear - Scotts94z32 11:46:23 01/04/08 2nd on that (n/m) - DoodMon(SD) 13:03:36 01/04/08 how do you like the race logic traction control ..I spin - The Devils Z 12:23:56 01/04/08 I use both- RLTC and the AVC-R. The combination works - Yoshi 14:49:57 01/04/08 It will do that for you. - Dallas DamonZ 16:40:37 01/04/08 thanks for the feedback guys .. it sucks when a car - The Devils Z 17:02:11 01/04/08 Re: thanks for the feedback guys .. it sucks when a car - Dallas DamonZ 17:51:53 01/04/08 No, that will not make the gears longer. - ZCulture 10:42:19 01/04/08 Please pay attention. - Kenny 10:50:47 01/04/08 If you don't understand the advantage of - ZCulture 10:57:39 01/04/08 You seem to think disagreeing with you is tantamount... - Kenny 11:07:01 01/04/08 Effect #2 is not insignificant. Advantage is tremendous and - ZCulture 11:18:13 01/04/08 Your own simulator says you're wrong.* - Kenny 11:23:41 01/04/08 Disagree - kuah@splparts.com 11:45:20 01/04/08 I agree with that. - Kenny 11:56:21 01/04/08 No even for drag racing either could be better - ZCulture 12:03:52 01/04/08 Don't go changing your stance now. - Kenny 12:22:45 01/04/08 lol ... " This is slightly like debating Ash ;) " (n/m) - The Devils Z 12:44:16 01/04/08 You seem to think that going to a longer gear - RSR 12:07:33 01/04/08 You're only looking at the downside of lower gear ratio. - ZCulture 10:41:18 01/04/08 What happens if - RSR 12:01:07 01/04/08 Just get some heavy blinged out wheels. ;) (n/m) - MixManMash 10:47:34 01/04/08 And a few subs for 50/50 weight distribution :) (n/m) - ZCulture 11:00:21 01/04/08 Here ya go: - Scotts94z32 11:17:00 01/04/08 I know that's why I said DD :) (n/m) - ZCulture 11:20:24 01/04/08 I know a few people (Hi Dean!) that DD with those. - Scotts94z32 11:22:20 01/04/08 you need more tire - aliaZ 11:36:43 01/04/08 In similar driving conditions how many miles - EricTTZ 12:32:24 01/04/08 Re: In similar driving conditions how many miles - aliaZ 14:40:24 01/04/08 Re: "~470RWHP daily" - what fuel do you normally run? (n/m) - Inzane 13:39:24 01/04/08 Texas premium is my guess. (n/m) - Scotts94z32 14:00:50 01/04/08 yep...93 octane FTW (n/m) - aliaZ 14:34:37 01/04/08 See my other post in this thread. - RSR 09:01:32 01/04/08 Utilize more power down low, but the car will most likely - Guapo 08:55:12 01/04/08 Yep, relatively sluggish in the first three gears. - ZCulture 09:46:28 01/04/08 With all we do to eliminate sluggishness, it'd be a shame - Guapo 10:05:39 01/04/08 not to mention diet & exercise (n/m) - ZEngineer 10:25:04 01/04/08 I never do :) (n/m) - Guapo 10:40:02 01/04/08 You introduce it to get longer gears. - ZCulture 10:52:55 01/04/08 "feels" sluggish is not the same as being slower - kuah@splparts.com 11:39:09 01/04/08 Agreed. - Kenny 11:46:16 01/04/08 I think that is over-simplified - kuah@splparts.com 11:53:10 01/04/08 I think I need to do a better job of supplying context. - Kenny 12:07:38 01/04/08 For a stock or mildly modded Z, I would agree with you - kuah@splparts.com 12:13:35 01/04/08 Everybody knows that black is the best color! - RSR 12:19:10 01/04/08 Black is the best color I do agree (n/m) - DoodMon(SD) 12:28:22 01/04/08 Cobalt green is the fastest :) (n/m) - kuah@splparts.com 15:14:14 01/04/08 putting things in context would be nice right about now - ZEngineer 12:22:54 01/04/08 tires that aren't balding help :) (n/m) - Guapo 12:36:10 01/04/08 I am just trying to keep an open mind - kuah@splparts.com 12:46:37 01/04/08 totally, 100% agreed (n/m) - Guapo 12:52:14 01/04/08 unfortunately, most here can't think in practical terms - ZEngineer 12:56:15 01/04/08 You are are flat out wrong. - Guapo 13:06:44 01/04/08 my guess is increased number of shifts, and a higher - Atl300zxTT 13:14:23 01/04/08 both negligible (n/m) - Guapo 13:18:04 01/04/08 It's not his first or last time. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 13:20:55 01/04/08 all that says is that I'll be wrong at least 3 times - ZEngineer 14:18:59 01/04/08 Touchy. :-) (n/m) - Spongerider :) 15:06:17 01/04/08 Total hits: A whole lot (n/m) - ZEngineer 15:24:40 01/04/08 You truly are handicapable. - Spongerider :) 16:00:21 01/04/08 Indeed. (n/m) - Kenny 13:48:47 01/04/08 makes the car feels 700 lbs lighter, not 400 lbs, not 900lbs - ZEngineer 14:16:48 01/04/08 he's wrong - Adam (NoVA) 14:20:22 01/04/08 you are the smart. S..M...R...T. (n/m) - ZEngineer 14:26:09 01/04/08 Yes, 700. I weighed it. 500 RPM is negligible. (n/m) - Guapo 16:36:50 01/04/08 Disagree 100% - Adam (NoVA) 13:17:03 01/04/08 I wouldn't say the differences are negligible (n/m) - kuah@splparts.com 15:22:18 01/04/08 No argument there. And maybe the gears do have an advantage - Guapo 11:46:55 01/04/08 I've been reading this thread and I agree with certain - The Devils Z 12:40:49 01/04/08 the sluggish feel was in reference to close ratio gearset, - Atl300zxTT 13:16:22 01/04/08 ahh .. reading comprehension owns me ..thanks (n/m) - The Devils Z 13:25:37 01/04/08 unless yo run sticky tires, the leader gears - JaffaUK 18:02:15 01/04/08 So then... What color should my calipers be painted again? - Gordo 93TT Daytona 15:38:03 01/04/08 Read This Post>>>> - Spectrum (WI) 23:20:37 01/04/08 Not the most Z savy member here, but I own both an NA and TT - SaucyTabasco 01:43:42 01/05/08
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